Leadership Lessons from a former Preacher :Richard Hagen

What can business leaders learn from religion and preaching?
Model organization culture by studying religion
Episode 188 (Richard is based in Glasgow UK)
In this conversation with Richard Hagen we explore:
How to tell an old story in a more compelling way
How to craft a disruptive message to change the relevance
How to place your audience on wobble boards when you start
The difference between a gimmick and truly being disruptive
How leaders can connect with their audience through empathy
How to expose the controversy to grab their attention
Why emotional connection must precede information
About our guest Richard Hagen:
Richard severed as a Catholic priest and preacher for 20 years. He runs a book, online course and transmedia publishing company.
Learn more about his services at https://hagendoes.com/
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Excerpts from this conversation with Richard Hagen:
What lessons can you take from there from being a preacher? To help business leaders improve their communication, and especially the presentation skills? What can you take right away,
So you've hit on something quite profound about that kind of whole religious environment.
It's an environment of rituals, of repeated practices, of physical movement of chants, of common phrases, common language, common stories and narratives.
And that is both incredibly powerful, and incredibly constricting. And so as a preacher, what are the challenges is how the heck do you get someone to hear this story that one of the parables, for example, they've had, literally 1000 times?
How do you get them to hear it, not just to let it kind of, boy, yeah, I know this one. But to hear it perhaps for the first time, in a really profound way, and be touched by it, be changed by it, and go out with your narrative shift.
Because if you've been living in a constricted model, and you want to create an empowering vision for somebody else, then you've got to do something that the hearing that they feel it the case that the the the are inspired and moved by it.
And that's the biggest challenge. And I think it's a it's a big challenge, any business leader or any business as when we are surrounded by by the a world of sameness, and a world where in your own business, there are rituals, there are narratives, there are common phrases, or we don't do it that way here or the said, do that.
But you know, we'll just do what we've always done. You know, so these narratives are all operating these rituals are operating as a leader, what is it you need to do to disrupt that in a healthy dynamic way not to break it, but to disrupt it.
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There's no question that if you keep saying everything the same way, people don't hear it anymore. It doesn't get noticed. And so you somehow need to disrupt how it's received or perceived, in order to for people to do exactly that saying, uh huh. I thought I understood that. But I didn't understand and now I do.
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Shouldn't a business leader be presenting a vision, something that people want to stand behind and move forward. And that that is something that is not just data, it is something which is profoundly personal for everyone in that organization, it makes a difference for them.
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